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this is cnn breaking news. >> this is "pierce morgan live." breaking news from one of the most infamous, high-profile murder cases in. michael skakel is granted a stunning, new trial. the latest on this extraordinary turn of events. i'm going to be talking to the mother of martha moxley. and did this boy kill a beloved math teacher.
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>> the latest details on this shocking case outside boston. two of the victim's students. and saving dick cheney. dick cheney's cardiologist, on the miracle that keeps him alive. and move over, katy perry. ♪ i am a champion and you're going to hear me roar ♪ >> a children hospital's heartwarming take on "roar." the viral video, joining me here tonight. a judge's decision to throw out the murder conviction of michael skakel, who had found beaten to death martha moxley in 1975. today, a judge in connecticut is addressing a new trial. skakel could be a free man in just hours. joining me live is ashleigh
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banfield. no way to describe this. why has this happened? >> well, the judge in this case has decided to go with what was effectively a hail mary pass. michael skakel has tried many times to overturn his verdict. and he has failed. today, he didn't. it was his defense lawyer, as to why he should throw out the verdict. i have to stop you for a second. i talked to the prosecutor a short time ago. i am not 100% there's going to be a new trial. one step at a time, the prosecutor said. he hadn't had a chance to read through the 135 pages of the opinion. but the first step is this. appeal what happened today. the prosecutors are going forward with a robust appeal today. there may be no need for a new
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trial. but i asked, what about a prosecution? almost 40 years after a crime, if you fail to reinstate this conviction, can you go forward with a robust prosecution? the witness is dead. there's been a serious corrosion of evidence and memories. and the answer was, that's a reasonable question. the prosecutor did not say undoubtedly we will go ahead. usually, we hear absolutely. not so much in this case, piers. >> ashleigh banfield, thank you very much. on the phone, is martha moxley's mother. thank you so much for joining me. i know that you currently on some medication. and you wanted us to make that clear. i wanted to get your reaction to what has happened today, with this news that may be a new trial. >> oh, my reaction.
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first of all, i had back surgery this morning because i had a compression fracture in my back. and was in a great deal of pain and i still am in some pain. but it's much better than it was before. but i'm under an anesthetic. and when i was called earlier, i had no idea of how i was going to feel and right now -- >> i understand. well, you sound -- >> how i feel about this? >> yes, what is your reaction to this development? >> well, first of all, there's not a way they can erase what was said during the first trial. what was said at the first trial is still in evidence. i'm sure. so, you know, i have not given up. i -- and i do believe michael skakel killed my daughter. i don't believe there is any doubt in that.
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he can -- he convicted himself practically. and there has been absolutely no new evidence that means anything since the trial. so, i am not concerned. if there is a new trial, i will be there. >> right. i was going to ask you, do you feel angry this judge has effectively reopened this whole case again, basically, because he doesn't think that the original case, that michael skakel had the right kind of defense? the defense wasn't good enough. is that something that makes you angry? >> well, if i think about it, it makes me angry. but, you know, mickey sherman did a wonderful job at that trial. i was nervous the entire time. we had many people who were concerned. so, i do still think that no matter what they say they had -- he had a very good representative there with mickey
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sherman. >> robert f. kennedy told sanjay gupta, my cnn colleague, earlier, that he believes michael is innocent, will always be innocent and was 11 miles away at the time your daughter was killed. what would you say to robert f. kennedy and indeed, the wider kennedy family who clearly share this view? >> you know, i don't believe that robert kennedy came to the trial very much. he wasn't very interested in it at that time, evidently. anyway, he -- i think he can say whatever he wants to but you cannot erase what was said at the first trial. and you know, another thing, i wonder -- you know how much money the state of connecticut has spent on these appeals that michael skakel has made? every appeal costs the state of connecticut money. and i hate to think that i'm going to now have to be calling
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on appeals because i don't want to cost the state of connecticut any money. they have done so much for me already. i feel very blessed. >> but you, mrs. moxley, never had a shred of doubt in your mind that michael skakel was the person that killed your daughter? >> once we knew who it was, once we had the proof, i have not had one bit of doubt, no, absolutely not. it took us a long time, you know. it took us 27 years to find and convict him. so, it wasn't that we rushed to judgement on this. we -- you know, he -- he was pretty clever in the way he avoided being caught. >> and finally, mrs. moxley, it's obviously been as you say, a very, very long time since your daughter was killed. but they say you never get over the death of a child if you're a parent. how have you coped over the years? and how do you cope today?
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>> you know something? there are wonderful, wonderful people in this world. i had so many people that helped me, and i didn't ask one person. they all came. in fact, i called them my team of angels and there is more angels coming every day it seems like. you know, back then i can remember these green reporters that came to my house, and i was just so glad to see them because it was the first time anybody showed any interest. now days, i didn't seem to hear or see those green reporters who are just starting out. those young people -- i mean, they were -- they deserved to have a break and they should, you know, they should be out there, too. that doesn't make a lot of sense -- >> no, what i was asking really mrs. moxley is how you personally as martha's mother
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coped with her horrendous death over the last four decades. >> because i have had such wonderful people who have helped me. these wonderful people have come and just made me see how important it is to be positive and honest. i truly believe you have to be honest and this is all, you know, because of the help that people have given me. and i know if i'm honest with them and care about them, they will be the same to me. >> well, dorothy moxley, i really appreciate you calling into the show tonight and i'm very sorry that you and your family will obviously have to go through a lot more scrutiny and press attention as a result of all this. but hopefully, in the end, it will finally get resolved, once and for all. >> sorry i don't make a lot of sense. i want could be the anesthesia trying to ware out. >> no, you made perfect sense.
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don't worry about that. mrs. moxley, thank you very much. >> thank you. i want to go back to ashleigh banfield. you know a lot about this case, talking to dorothy moxley, not notwithstanding the fact she said she's on a lot of medication today but was very clear in her eyes there is no new evidence which would necessitate a new trial, based on the evidence she sat through and she was at the trial day in and out and she believes with any doubt michael skakel was guilty. >> and she was friendly with the defense attorney daily. they greeted each other daily. and you heard her praise for mickey sherman. i spoke personally with mickey sherman a short time ago. he's not doing press interviews. there is always disappointment with a ruling like this. but he said he's happy that there is a chance that michael
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skakel could be released. of course, a bond hearing is probably going to start launch -- be launched this week and he could be released next week. all was believed in michael's innocence. and he says it's natural when you lose a case that there is some disenchantment. that's normal. but he didn't want to comment further because clearly, we could still be in litigation. there is a pending appeal. >> ashleigh banfield. thank you very much, indeed. i want to bring in jeffrey toobin, star jones, and cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark o'mara. jeffrey, let me start with you. you had a pretty fiery encounter earlier with robert f. kennedy. what is the reality of legality that happened? >> one of the common things defendants raise after a trial, my lawyer did a bad job. i had a bad lawyer. please overturn my conviction. it almost never works. the fact it worked here is frankly astonishing to me because i saw mickey sherman in that trial. sure, perhaps he could have done
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many other things. but it was not a terrible performance, i thought, and what robert kennedy was particularly upset about was the reason that the judge overturned the conviction is that mickey sherman failed to point the finger at michael skakel's brother, tommy skakel, who the judge said there was a lot of evidence pointing to him as the real killer. and so that, i think, is a mixed blessing for the kennedy family. >> mark o'mara, what do you make of this case? obviously a pretty sensational twist, something everyone in america will remember. a huge case at the time. given the proximity of time, the fact it's four decades after the death of this poor girl, will justice still be obtained after such a long period of time. >> it will be difficult if they have to retry the case because another ten years has gone and another, witness passed away and
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more difficult to get it done. what i'm interested in, though, is the meat of 136 pages that this judge wrote because you don't get a new trial unless you truly have an incompetent counsel. and that doesn't come from strategic decisions. i'm interested in reading through the opinion to see where this judge found 136 pages of deficiencies that really caused a problem. >> starr, when you listen to the poor mother, dorothy moxley there, obviously a very long time has elapsed. but she seems absolutely certain in her mind having attended the trial every day that this man is guilty of killing her daughter. what do you feel about regurgitating all this so long after in relation to her and her family? >> i have to tell you, listening to her just reminds me of the victim pact statements i heard over the years in my career. and when you hear a mother talk about having to sit through a trial, there is nothing like a
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family having to sit through hearing the gory details of the death, the killing of a loved one. and mrs. moxley, comes from a different emotional place than everyone else who is talking about this. this was her child. and the thought she has to go through it again is probably the thing that would give her the most distress. i'm curious, along with my colleagues here who are talking about just the reversal based on the fact of assistance. and i know mark knows from his experience to where you would have a lawyer of mickey sherman's stature, someone who is being paid for a case to come down like this, when you have so many people across this country who are represented by lawyers who don't do half the things that mickey sherman did in that particular case. >> right. jeffrey toobin, let me play you
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again a clip from your exchange with robert kennedy because it got pretty fiery. let's listen to this. >> is this jeffrey toobin? >> yes, your article in the atlantic -- >> you know, you should disclose that from the beginning you have absolutely been dogged long before michael was convicted that michael was guilty. >> no. >> and that was your bias from the beginning. >> and the news report you did on that -- >> my bias was watching the trial and watching the evidence. and i, like the jury, thought he was guilty. >> i mean, jeffrey, i guess you can understand why the kennedys feel the way they do. this is one of their family. and many families in that situation, despite overwhelming evidence will want to believe the innocence of the family member. how do you see this all playing out now? i mean, ashleigh talked about the fact there is an appeal by the prosecutors and it could be possible there is no retrial at all and the guy walks free. >> i think that's right and it's
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certainly possible. and i think just in the short term, i think it's very likely that he will get out on bail very soon because he's now been granted a new trial. and the two questions a judge always looks at about bail is he a risk of flight? is he a danger to the community? i think the answer to both of those will be no. i think he'll get out on bail. so, if this conviction is not reinstated by the appeals court, i don't really see anyway how the state of connecticut can start a trial in 2014, 2015 about events that took place in 1975. it was hard enough in 2002. but in 2013, '14, '15, i don't see it possible as all. >> jeffrey and mark, thank you both very much. you're leaving me now. star, you'll stick around until later in the show and talk to me about other big issues. coming up next, a teacher murdered. a 14-year-old under arrest, two victim's students join me live. a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath.
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it is alleged on 10/23/13 mr. philip chism beat colleen ritzer and murdered and did kill and murder such person. >> did that boy murder a teacher? it's our big crime story. the 14-year-old suspect. colleen's body found in the woods in the massachusetts high school where she taught. don lemon is live with details. an awful case, a 14-year-old boy arraigned there today on suspected effectively beating to death this very beloved teacher at his school. one of his own teachers. who do we know about this case? >> reporter: well, we know now that prosecutors will try him as
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an adult. and that will be up to the grand jury to decide whether or not they try him as an adult. we know, piers, he's being held at the essex county house of corrections. it's not a juvenile facility. an adult facility. but they have made room for him there and we know that there is going to be a probable cause hearing on november 22nd. but still, no motive and the only relationship that we know that they had was that he was indeed a student in her math class, piers. >> the only clue at the moment was blood found in an upstairs room and led them to find her body, is that right? >> reporter: yeah, they -- police got a call from the parents because she didn't show up. she was still living with her parents. and she was attending graduate school. so, when she didn't show up and wouldn't answer her phone, the police went looking for her and
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when they searched the school. they found blood in the bathroom and then, we were told during an interview the suspect allegedly incriminated himself and that the when police went looking in the woods and found her body. and when they found her body, they said it was obvious a homicide had occurred. >> very, very tragic story. don lemon, thank you very much indeed. breanna wallace and paige were students of colleen ritzer. they join me live. thank you for joining me. you're both 15 years old. you're both sophomore students of colleen ritzer. what was your reaction -- >> yeah, yeah. >> what was your reaction to the news when you heard what had happened? >> when i had found out that ms. ritzer was murdered in the school, it was devastating. it was surreal. there was nothing that i could understand. i didn't know how someone could kill someone that was so innocent. >> and, paige, she was your geometry teacher, i believe, since last september. >> yeah. >> what kind of woman was ms. ritzer? >> oh, she was so kind. she couldn't hurt a soul. she was the nicest person i had ever met. she was like a role model.
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>> breanna, what do we know about phillip chism? 14 years old, at your school. did any of you know him well? >> i didn't know him on a personal level and seen him around the halls. and i knew he was a good soccer player and people liked him. he didn't seem like the kind of person that would end up doing this to someone. >> paige, was anybody aware of any problems between him and ms. ritzer or the problems he had with the school in general? >> no, i didn't know anything of the relationship. i thought he was a good student. he seemed like a good kid that would never do anything like this. >> brianna, you just come back from a vigil, i believe, at the high school. how are the students all dealing with this because it's an appalling thing to happen, to see this beautiful young teacher
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that everybody seems to have loved be killed in a horrific manner. how are the students dealing with it? >> the students at the vigil were distraught. there were no words to describe how upset and heartbroken everyone was from the loss of ms. ritzer. >> well, i'm so sorry for what you've both been through and for all the students there. it's obviously a hell of a shock and difficult for you to get back to normal but i wish you in every success in doing that. and hopefully, we'll get to the bottom of what happens. thank you very much. >> thank you for having us. coming next -- the fate of kathleen sebelius. jack tapper joins us next. and the man that helped give dick cheney a new heart.
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here is a very disturbing story, 25-year-old man in new york arrested for trying to join al qaeda. here is the amazing part, he said its easy to join using their website than it was to sign up for obama care. he was in, he was in in like two minutes. >> jay leno telling the obama care rollout fiasco. the joke is funny but nobody is laughing at the white house. and today, the obama administration says they will not change the march 31st deadline. let's bring in jack tapper, anchor on "the lead" and untold story of american valor, now in paperback. it's a fantastic powerful book and i want to get to some of the impact it had in medals that have gone out to people. in terms of obama care, lots of
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people making jokes. but it's not funny if you're in the white house, is it? can kathleen sebelius survive this if it continues to be a mess for weeks, months ahead? >> i think the best thing she has going for her is the fact that republicans are calling for her head because there is nothing that president obama dislikes more than republicans calling for the firing or calling for a personnel change. and the fact is it would be difficult to confirm a new health and human services secretary in this current environment. that said, i think it's clear that some action is going to have to be taken. and you have a bunch of senate democrats now saying that the individual mandate, the penalty for individuals not signing up for health insurance should be delayed because of all the problems with the website. so, i think that probably ultimately somebody, there is going to have to be some decisive action in terms of somebody's job. >> it all struck me as extraordinary from my interview with sanjay gupta.
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two things. one, there were clearly problems they were aware of that were not made aware to the president. and secondly, that they didn't seem to have the a-team on this in the build-up to the most important rollout of president obama's entire presidency. i couldn't understand, either of those things. >> well, if you're looking for me to explain them, i don't know i can help you. you would think, especially with a campaign that was so tech-savvy and with the data mining that the obama campaign was able to do and not to mention what the nsa is able to do, you would think there would be a higher degree of sophistication when it came to building this website. what i have heard from some insiders, is the center for medicare and medicaid was put in charge of all this. and they're not used to that. there is also some speculation that one of the problems was that political decisions were being made about the website, and let me explain exactly what
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i mean by that. the idea is to enroll as many people as possible. so that healthy people are enrolled in this system, and thus, able to help pay for people that aren't as healthy. if you were to logon immediately see how expensive it would be before any sort of subsidy from the government, if you qualified, that might cause some people to turn off and say to heck with it. i'm just going to pay the fine. and i don't want to pay for this insurance. and i think there has been a lot of speculation from smart people who know how governments work when it comes to trying to start new programs saying maybe they made the decision to try to get people enrolled before they gave them the final cost of this so as to not turn people off. >> right. let's turn to your book "the outpost." extraordinary since we last spoke, actually when the hard back was out two soldiers involved have been awarded the medal of honor. quite extraordinary, really. when you look back at the impact
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the book's had and how do you feel about it because you were embedded with them. you got to know them well. so closely aligned to it all. >> it's been remarkable to see ty carter and clint romechet, the two individuals you mentioned former staff sergeant and current sergeant be honored with the medal of honor. when i started writing this book in 2010, the year after it happened, they felt, the troops who served the combat felt that nobody knew who they were, nobody knew who the names of the eight dead men, eight men kill that day who they were and that the world couldn't have cared less. and since that happened, obviously the book came out but more importantly, these men and their families have started to get the recognition that they deserve for their incredible actions. there were a lot of medals given previous but the medal of honor,
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the highest honor given to tie carter hasn't happened, piers that two living individuals were awarded the medal of honor for the same battle. that hasn't happened since 1968, since a year before i was born. so the idea that that would happen for combat out post is a remarkable testament to these men and it's great that the country is finally recognizing what they have done for this country. >> certainly is and if you haven't read the book yet, "the outpost" is amazing detail and if you really want to get inside on the front line when you're fighting for your country, this is a book you should read. appreciate it thanks, piers. also another book out, called "shooting straight, guns gazed god and george clooney." send your tweets to at piers morgan hash tag pml. we'll give one away to anybody who can make me laugh, enrage me, whatever. get cracking.
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normal heart would basically be about the size of two fists clamped together like this. maybe smaller and you see this is about half a foot wide. >> old heart, new heart. and it's one of those situations where bigger isn't necessarily better. >> former vice president dick cheney with dr. sanjay gupta. talking about his heart and the surgery that saved his life. authors of "heart." dr. ryaner, thank you. >> hi, piers. good to be with you. >> do you fear when you leave this mortal world of ours the headline will be man that kept dick cheney alive for decades? >> i'll wear it proudly. >> tell me about the extraordinary, i guess,
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evolutionary revolution that went on when you were treating dick cheney, about the kind of advances in surgery that you were able to deploy when you went along that indeed keep him alive and will be used to keep so many others alive. >> yeah, i told the vice president a couple years ago that, you know, his life is sort of like very early in the morning when you drive down a road, you know, without any traffic. and every time you get to a red light it turns green, just in time it turns green. and if you look at his life, every time a health crisis was about to stop, every time he was about to hit a red light, medicine had an answer. and you can trace this remarkable history of, really, medical miracles through the life of this extraordinary patient who got very sick at a very young age but still managed to really live this incredibly, you know, vigorous life. >> what is he like, dick cheney?
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i never met dick cheney. but obviously, he has this very tough reputation and very hard politician. very divisive. what was he like when he was going through such quite regular life and death scenarios in his own private life? >> incredibly courageous. it -- i haven't really encountered a patient who was able to, first of all,, you know, compartmentalize his issues and live his life and do his job in this series of jobs of increasing responsibility. he managed to just sort of live with the disease. my dad used to have a saying that, you know, it's one thing to have a disease. but it's another thing entirely to let the disease have you. clearly, heart disease never got dick cheney. >> tell me this, should somebody who is that sick or potentially could be fatally taken any time,
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should they be vice president? were you concerned that actually he maybe ought to stand down? >> no, i wasn't. you know, when i look at his history, i take sort of the opposite view and i think he's a testament to the fact that folks with health problems can lead really extraordinary lives and not let -- not let their illnesses stop them. early on in administration, i told the vice president that if i ever thought that he was, you know, physical incapable of doing the job, that he wouldn't have to ask me, i would tell him and i never needed to do that. >> there is an amazing book in 2007 he needed his heart defibrillator replaced and you ordered the wireless feature to be disabled fearing a terrorist could assassinate the vice president and the exact plot
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line occurred in "homeland." did you watch that episode and did it bring memories back to you about the thing you feared? >> i haven't seen -- i've since seen it but the night it was broadcast, mrs. cheney e-mailed me and said oh my god, did you see homeland tonight? they just killed the vice president but reprogramming his defibrillator? i was paranoid. and caring for the vice president creates a different set of challenges. and when we replaced his device, i thought a device that could be accessed wirelessly was a bad idea for the vice president of the united states. so, we had that disabled for him. >> i've also been watching this other show "hostages" where there is a similar plot line where terrorists get to a surgeon who was about to operate. were you ever concerned they would try to get to you? >> not at all. >> it is a riveting book -- >> they would have to get through my wife first. >> i don't know your wife but i
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should imagine she's a tough cookie, you certainly are yourself. fascinating to talk to you. it's an amazing book. anyone who has heart issues, or somebody with the family member, most of us do. i recommend it whole heartily, no pun intended and congratulations on the work you do. >> thanks so much. appreciate it, piers. coming up, a big day out for england's little prince george. we go to london for all the details.
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a chubby-cheeked prince george appeared with his parents today at his christening in london. the first big event for the baby. and here is katie nicholl, the author of "kate the future queen." what an exciting day. you must have been bursting with excitement. >> bursting with excitement. its very exciting. it was beautiful over here. the sun was shining. and as you said, it was actually a really big day obviously for george but only the second time we've seen him since he emerged from the hospital after his birth. so, there was a real excitement here and he is such a sweet
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little baby. he's got those wonderful chubby cheeks. as soon as we saw him we said it's just william, it's william when he was a little baby -- >> you know -- >> strong little you brows going on. >> i remember when william was born over 30 years ago and he had chubby cheeks. it clearly runs in the family. >> a family gene. you can see how happy they were. what the couple managed to do yesterday which i take my hats off. they wanted a really small intimate family christening. and you think you remember the royal family, you are not going to get that. well, they did. there was just under two dozen people there yesterday. very few family members, i mean, were there noses out of join because prince andrew, edward, the princess royal weren't there, i suspect there probably were but i think what we're seeing is a streamlined monarchy. >> what i'm seeing is the first royal wave. there he is. actually conducting -- that is amazing.
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that is a brilliant kid. >> i know -- >> look at that. >> how old is he? >> he's being very well prepared. he gave a little wave out of the hospital. >> that's a full running regional royal wave that is very impressive. >> he's been properly trained. [ laughter ] >> i will talk to you as we get more dramatic updates. looks like a very bright boy to me. "kate, the future queen." i recommend you buy it. i like kate. >> she's doing remarkably well. i mean, it's almost as if this girl was born to be royal and of course, she wasn't. she came from a very normal -- the word common is also banded around, which i think sounds terribly derogatory. she came from a well to do family and went to a great private school and an incredible education and through that she meets prince william. and one of the interesting nuggets of the book, they introduced when they were first 17 years old at school. the girl who introduced them is called amelia one of the god mothers, rightly so because without her, there wouldn't be william and kate or prince
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george. >> thank god for amelia. good to talk to you. >> you too, piers. thank you. now being rejoined by star jones. so, star, before we get to that i'm going to reveal a winner of my signed copy of my book, "shooting straight" tonight. it's a good tweet they got. a guy called brett forrest tweeted me. he said, i haven't made up my mind about where to stand on this gun control debate. maybe your book will help me. that's exactly the kind of attitude i'd like people to have when they read it. what i do know is just this week there have been a series of further examples of why something has to be done. so yes, brett forrest, you're going to get the signed copy of the book. have a read an let me know what you think. star jones, let me talk to you about -- we've got two kids this week, both involved in alleged murders. one involving a gun, one we don't know quite what happened but it wasn't a gun, whatever it was. it does bring a question of
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parental responsibilities, the relationship between a school and students and parents, all that kind of thing. it just seems to me awful that within the space of 48 hours you've got these 2 young kids, 14, 13, committing apparent murder. >> you know, piers, years ago people used to throw around the old proverb, it takes a village. and it really does take a village to raise children to be responsible people and members of society. the school has to be a part of the village, the parents have to be a part of the village. we have to all be diligent. and i think what we've seen these past few days is young people really who don't have the ability to manage their emotions.
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they respond in a fashion that make them forget that life is precious, that life and death is a real situation. and this young man who is alleged to have killed this young teacher, we don't know the method of the homicide at this point, he looked like he had a vacant stare in his face. because we have him to look at. as if there was just something not there. if we in this country don't deal with mental illness and mental instability for young people, we're going to see more and more of this. and then as you move -- >> there have also, star, been a series of stories i've noticed this week. a 2-year-old, 3-year-old, 5-year-old, now another 5-year-old i think today, and in this case all of them died accidentally from guns. the one today was particularly awful because it was a 5-year-old, i think, picked up a gun left by his babysitter. >> good lord. >> and you do just -- it begs the question. i've had four children. the idea they would allow a babysitter to come armed to a house to look after my child is just absolutely ridiculous.
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but there will be people who say no, she has her second amendment rights, this young babysitter, to come armed to look after a child. even if she leaves it on a couch and the kid then picks it up an kills himself. >> piers, i know you and i agree a lot in this area. there's one thing i would like to state emphatically. with rights come responsibilities. and no one is saying that americans do not have the right to bear arms. no one is trying to take your guns away. no one is going to rush into your house with a black helicopter and grab your precious guns. that's not happening in the united states. but every single right we have under the constitution comes with some level of responsibility. our first amendment rights have a level of responsibility. and so why wouldn't our second amendment rights? i have to agree with the responsible gun movement when they say with a parent or a guardian or an adult has access to a firearm, the very minimum
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you should do is secure that firearm in the home. and that's why you're seeing states who are putting laws in place that will hold parents responsible when something tragic happens. >> right. well said, star. good to talk to you again. talk to you again soon. >> you've got it. coming up, katy perry's "roar" reinterpreted. meet the girls behind the inspiring viral hit lighting up the internet. it's incredibly moving. i'm going to talk to some of them after the break. ♪ you're going to hear me roar
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♪ i am a champion and you're gonna hear me roar ♪ children's hospital in dartmouth, hitchcock hammon put their own twist on katy perry's hit, "roar." the viral video is burning up the web. three performers, welcome, ladies, all three of you. what an amazing day it must have been for you. the whole world has been watching this video. i watched it this morning. it's one of the most moving and uplifting things i've seen in a long time. megan, you're 16. what was the idea behind this? >> it was to have everybody who has gone through rough times and hurdles that they have to jump
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over to come together and to just share our message, that even though we might have things to jump over, we roar. we really do. >> well, you certainly do roar. and, maggie, have you heard from katy perry at all? >> no. >> no? i can't believe it. katy, if you're watching i know you love watching this show, get on the phone. tell these girls what an amazing job they're doing. because it's one of the great videos i've seen in a very long time. let me come to you, holly. you must be very proud of all the children who took part in this. >> we are. i mean, every single day in the work that we do, whether you're a nurse, childhood specialist, doctor, resident, physical therapist, you're proud of the kids that you work with. and this video just proves that. >> i wanted to get you on the show to say on behalf of everyone in america, everyone in the world watching this, friends
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in britain calling me about it, so many people have seen it and feel so proud of you guys and uplifted by what you've done. we wish you all the very best to all that are having treatment. and thank you for just putting a little bit of spring in our step and reminding us what's important in life. so, thank you all very much for joining me. >> thank you so much. >> amazing people. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. tonight robert f. kennedy junior will join me to talk about his reaction of tonight's breaking news. the possible release from prison of his cousin, michael skakel. skakel was convicted of a brutal murder that went unsolved for a quarter of a century. his conviction was set aside and he could be out of prison. the judge ruling that his appeal ruled his defense counsel provided ineffective counsel. this was relating to the killing

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